| |  PaulTyrer
11/3/2009 5:56:45 AM | Its coming up to Armistice Day, the 11th November. Usually in the UK (and I think Canada, Australia and New Zealand - Correct me if I am wrong), Poppies are sold with all monies raised going to (in the UK) the Royal British Legion.
Remembrance Day – also known as Poppy Day, Armistice Day (the event it commemorates) or Veterans Day – is a day to commemorate the sacrifices of members of the armed forces and of civilians in times of war, specifically since the First World War. It is observed on 11 November
to recall the end of World War I on that date in 1918. (Major
hostilities of World War I were formally ended at the 11th hour of the
11th day of the 11th month of 1918 with the German signing of the Armistice.) The day was specifically dedicated by King George V,
on 7 November 1919, to the observance of members of the armed forces
who were killed during war; this was possibly done upon the suggestion
of Edward George Honey to Wellesley Tudor Pole, who established two ceremonial periods of remembrance based on events in 1917.
Today, it has emerged that....
Libraries ban poppies: 'We can't favour one charity above others' says managerBut then staff at nearly 50 libraries were ordered to remove their collection tins and boxes - in the name of equality. Officials ruled they could not be seen to support 'particular charities at the expense of others'. The ban, which applied to all 48 libraries in Derbyshire, was yesterday described as 'scandalous'. Staff were sent an email on October 28 warning them to remove any boxes from public areas 'immediately'. The
memo, from Ann Ainsworth, the county council's 'Operations Manager,
West', said: 'I need to reinforce that the County Council does not
support specific charities and does not provide opportunities for any
charities to collect donations via Derbyshire Libraries. On Saturday it emerged that poppy sellers from the Royal British Legion
have been banned from shaking their collection tins in case they are
seen as a 'public menace'. This is facism!!
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| | Sirpete
North Wales.
11/3/2009 6:21:19 AM | Surely the library itself is almost a charity. There are some very sad b******* in this country. |
| |  rudes
 Cape Town
11/3/2009 6:43:55 AM | I thought we had weird rules in seffrika but heck you guys sure are showing us the way. |
| | PaulTyrer
11/3/2009 8:18:41 AM | Hey Rudes, how about this!!
Poppy sellers from the Royal British Legion have been banned from
shaking their collection tins in case they are seen as a 'public
menace'. Asking anyone if they want to buy one and even approaching people have also been declared illegal.
Instead volunteers have been told they must remain still and silent or face being removed from their stands or prosecuted.
The rules for poppy sellers, which are enforced by local
councils, state that it is illegal for collectors to 'harass people' or
act in a way that could be seen as 'aggressive'. John Allen, member and former chairman of the Royal British
Legion's Berkhamsted branch, in Hertfordshire, said: 'At this time we
should be doing all we can to help our boys and their families at home
who are fighting for our country in Afghanistan and elsewhere.
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| |  sunflower
Leeds
11/3/2009 8:23:16 AM | rudes said:
I thought we had weird rules in seffrika but heck you guys sure are showing us the way. what the bloody hell is this country coming to, i'm bloody disgusted with this, men and women fought for the freedom of this great nation of ours, and yes, freedom of the world. Millions of folks died on all sides and they are saying they won,t allow collection boxes. If i was working in that place i would tell them to get stuffed and i would bloody make sure i was wearing a poppy how dare they, we have lads lasses fighting and dying to this day, and they dare to do this, it needs the folks of Darbyshire to stand up and be counted, boycott the libraries, picket them, and tell the Council how discusted you feel about this. next they will try banning remberance day how much more freedom are we to loose here in this country before everyone takes there heads out of the sand and smells the coffee, and anyone who does not like what i have said here, tuff. I don't normally take part in the forums but David pointed this one out it, and it has got me very angry, very. |
| | PaulTyrer
11/3/2009 8:27:19 AM | Sirpete said:
Surely the library itself is almost a charity. There are some very sad b******* in this country.
I dont think that they are 'sad' Pete, its just that we in the UK have become so wrapped up in the 'Human Rights' and 'compensation culture', and that there have been over 6000 new laws introduced under Labour that people are so tied down that....
Hang on, I'm defending the sad b**ch!!!
You are RIGHT!!!! |
| | PaulTyrer
11/3/2009 8:32:19 AM | OOPS! Had 2 windows open!! |
| | sharpers
 Hamilton
11/3/2009 8:48:12 AM | PaulTyrer said:
Sirpete said:
Surely the library itself is almost a charity. There are some very sad b******* in this country. I dont think that they are 'sad' Pete, its just that we in the UK have become so wrapped up in the 'Human Rights' and 'compensation culture', and that there have been over 6000 new laws introduced under Labour that people are so tied down that.... Hang on, I'm defending the sad b**ch!!! You are RIGHT!!!! there are those who think that if they impose a bagillion rules/regulations, that they will be 'protected' from wing-nuts who will find a way to 'sue' because someone has been perceived to impinge on their rights. Now, we have been so restricted in so many ways in the name of 'human rights' that you can't even breathe without being looked at with a bent eye. Oddly enough, it is because of our war vets fighting for our many freedom(s) that we have ultimately come to this state of affairs, and have the right to speak out against oppression -- even if it is a ridiclulous one..... For that reason alone (?!!) they should be allowed to 'shake their cans'.
b.t.w. in Canada -- well Ontario, at least -- the vets cannot approach anyone directly to ask them to buy, but are posted a particular 'spot' where they can stand and sell the poppies. |
| | Sirpete
North Wales.
11/3/2009 9:11:33 AM | What I wan't to know is who gives these people the authority to make up this crap. They are probably insignificant little people who like to feel important. They arrive at their offices in the morning, smile at each other and say 'who shall we screw today'! |
| | davidburchett
Leeds
11/3/2009 9:14:03 AM | I wonder, if our ethnic friends wanted to make a collection, I bet they would not be refused, the councils would be too scared to ban them. |
| | SianLewis
Cardiff
11/3/2009 9:24:16 AM | Totally disgusting and I couldn't agree more with Sunflower.
At this point, words really do fail me.
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| | PaulTyrer
11/3/2009 9:33:13 AM | davidburchett said:
I wonder, if our ethnic friends wanted to make a collection, I bet they would not be refused, the councils would be too scared to ban them.
Well, you know what David, I was going to say that but I thought I met get a visit from the UK thought Police!!!
Problem is they couldn't call it Poppy Day, it would have to be something like 'Detonator Day'!!
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| | sharpers
Hamilton
11/3/2009 9:39:49 AM | PaulTyrer said:
Well, you know what David, I was going to say that but I thought I met get a visit from the UK thought Police!!!
Problem is they couldn't call it Poppy Day, it would have to be something like 'Detonator Day'!!
naughty, naughty..... ;-) |
| | PaulTyrer
11/3/2009 9:41:46 AM | Well thats me in trouble now!
I've just emailed this to Derbyshire Council!!
I would suggest that Ms Ann Ainsworth (Not related to Useless Bob Ainsworth by any chance??) should get herself over to Wootton Bassett in Wiltshire for a week (doesn't matter which week - its every week now!) and witness the funeral corteges of the dead soldiers being returned to the UK.
Will you do that Ms Ainsworth??
I will personally send you the rail fare!
Oh. and by the way, if you do go, wear a Poppy (No,on second thoughts don't, it would be offensive if you did!)
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| | sunflower
Leeds
11/3/2009 10:24:16 AM | I could not Agree with Paul and Everyone more i'm still Annoyed |
| | sharpers
Hamilton
11/3/2009 11:50:45 AM | Sirpete said:
What I wan't to know is who gives these people the authority to make up this crap. They are probably insignificant little people who like to feel important. They arrive at their offices in the morning, smile at each other and say 'who shall we screw today'! Too, seemingly, true Pete. Unfortunately, what these 'nuisance' statutes generally mean is that there have been enough people to complain to their elected officials about a problem, and have possibly even petitioned to have a bylaw put in place. We have become such a self-centred and/or litigeous society, that we think nothing of impeding everyone elses rights/actions because it annoys something in our own little world. What is worse, is that the same bodies that impose these weird and wonderful little 'rules', allow such cases to be presented, and tie up the justice system (e.g. including, but definitely not limited to, courts/lawyers), rather than saying to the complainant (who also may be at fault -- see the woman who sued Burger King because she tripped and fell on the hamburger SHE dropped....) "give your head a shake"
So again I say -- have you ever voiced a complaint against your government/religion/employer etc. etc.?? ..... then walk up to the next war vetran you see and THANK him or her for their contribution for your freedom to do so. In many countries you would be punished (or worse)
rant finished................ |
| | Flashbum
In The Gutter
11/3/2009 12:56:53 PM | These rules and regulations come from over eager Politicians who need to justify their positions.
However saying that, I sat on a Parish Council for three years and you would not believe how pety some people are... if their nieghbours did something that went against their beliefes then they would be at the next meeting shouting about 'this should not be allowed'...
Paul, and everyone, I agree that there is too much legislation, but not many people want to be involved in the political process... do what I do and join Twitter and harrass those stupid politicians and their stupid policies... the more the merrier and you never know, something might get done.
Paul, Dont just send one email... keep sending them until you get a reply and then question that... and when they have tied themselves up in a knot, send the emails to the local paper.
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| | Sirpete
North Wales.
11/3/2009 1:23:08 PM | I wonder if it means homeless people who sell the 'Big Issue' will be the next to be banned. Just remember when you are offered a copy of the 'Big Issue' it is actually being offered to you by a homeless person, I only learned that this year. Just remember the song by Kirsty Mac Call. |
| | rudes
Cape Town
11/4/2009 12:24:31 AM | SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2009
Scenario :
Jack goes rabbit shooting before school, pulls into school parking lot with rifle in gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and gets his rifle & chats with Jack about guns.
2009 - School goes into lock down, Star Force called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again.. Counsellors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
Scenario:
Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2009 - Police called, arrests Johnny and Mark.. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it. Both children go to anger management programs for 3 months. School board hold meeting to impliment bullying prevention programs
Scenario:
Robbie won't be still in class, disrupts other students.
1957 - Robbie sent to office and given 6 of the best by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2009 - Robbie given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. Robbie's parents get fortnightly disability payments and School gets extra funding from state because Robbie has a disability.
Scenario :
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2009 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison.
Scenario :
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957 - Mark gets glass of water from Principal to take aspirin with.
2009 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario :
Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2009 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. AFRE files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.
Scenario :
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from Guy Fawkes, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a bullant (ant) nest.
1957 - Ants die.
2009- State Police, Star Force, Federal Police & Anti-terrorism Squad called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, Feds investigate parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated. Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
Scenario :
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2009 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.
How stupid we have become!
Think about it! |
| | Sirpete
North Wales.
11/4/2009 4:36:02 AM | I wonder what the BNP have to say about all this crap, this subject could be worth a massive ammount of votes. Maybe I should start the "Anti Crap" party, I suppose it would get banned for not being pc. |
| | davidburchett
Leeds
11/4/2009 5:43:03 AM | Sirpete said:
I wonder what the BNP have to say about all this crap, this subject could be worth a massive ammount of votes. Maybe I should start the "Anti Crap" party, I suppose it would get banned for not being pc. Good idea Pete, I will vote for you, infact we should start a campaign to make sirpete the next Primeminister. |
| | sunflower
Leeds
11/4/2009 5:51:09 AM | well listened to the news, 5 more of our lads have been killed, i wonder what those bloody councillors feel about this, i'm gutted. 5 families suffering. Tell them why they won,t let poppies be sold in there bloody libraries, or shake a bloody tin on the street . As you can see, I'm still mad about all this. |
| | PaulTyrer
11/4/2009 5:58:19 AM | Well you'd better not read this then!!
Army veteran banned from selling poppies in shopping centre over health and safety rulesAn army veteran in full military garb was told to stop selling
poppies at a shopping centre - because he wouldn't undergo a risk
assessment.Jean Reno, who fought in Bosnia, Afghanistan and
Iraq, was selling the poppies at a shopping centre when he was stopped
by a security guard. The 36-year-old was asked if he had
permission to sell the plastic flowers. But when he refused to fill in
a permission slip, which included a risk assessment, the guard asked
him to leave the building.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224997/Army-veteran-banned-selling-poppies-shopping-centre-health-safety-rules.html |
| | sunflower
Leeds
11/4/2009 6:17:04 AM | My god the countrys gone mad, its about time someone did something about all this god dam bull shit, and he should have smacked the security guard on the bloody nose, who the bloody hell does he think he is, God . now i'm steaming. |
| | SianLewis
Cardiff
11/4/2009 6:24:00 AM | Stictly Come Dancing tried to stop contestants wearing poppies on the show this weekend in case they fell off and they slipped on them and broke a leg!
Amazing isn't it? We can send thousands of troops to fight in a war that should never have happened, where they face the risk of losing limbs or even their lives, and the Beeb are worried about people slipping on something designed to show our support for our soldiers.
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