| |  PaulTyrer
11/5/2009 10:23:30 AM | As government policy on the war-torn
region was savaged by all sides, Downing Street announced that the
Prime Minister would make a 'major speech' on the issue tomorrow.
I have managed to get a copy of his 'major speech'. This is it.
Blah Blah Blah, Blah Blah Blah, Expenses, Blah Blah, we are getting on with the job, Climate Change, Blah Blah Blah, Carbon Taxes, Blah Blah.
Blah Blah Blah, Blah Blah Blah, Expenses, Blah Blah, we are getting on
with the job, Climate Change, Blah Blah Blah, Carbon Taxes, Blah Blah.
Blah Blah Blah, Blah Blah Blah, Expenses, Blah Blah, we are getting on
with the job, Climate Change, Blah Blah Blah, Carbon Taxes, Blah Blah.
Blah Blah Blah, Blah Blah Blah, Expenses, Blah Blah, we are getting on
with the job, Climate Change, Blah Blah Blah, Carbon Taxes, Blah Blah.
Blah Blah Blah, Blah Blah Blah, Expenses, Blah Blah, we are getting on
with the job, Climate Change, Blah Blah Blah, Carbon Taxes, Blah Blah.
Nobody believes you any more Brown, you're washed up. Get the soldiers out now! Let Afghanistan go down the toilet, Who cares???
Oh, and there was another funeral cortege through Wootton Basset today, not that you care!!
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| | Sirpete
North Wales.
11/5/2009 12:04:46 PM | Another soldier killed today. All the crap about making Britain etc a safer place is absolute B*******. We should let them stew in their own juices and get the lads home. I don't understand how these politicians manage to sleep at night. |
| | PaulTyrer
11/5/2009 1:02:53 PM | Who said this about Afghanistan???
"
The inhabitants of these wild but wealthy valleys are of many
tribes, but of similar character and condition. The abundant crops
which a warm sun and copious rains raise from a fertile soil, support a
numerous population in a state of warlike leisure. Except at the times
of sowing and of harvest, a continual state of feud and strife prevails
throughout the land. Tribe wars with tribe. The people of one valley
fight with those of the next. To the quarrels of communities are added
the combats of individuals. Khan assails khan, each supported by his
retainers. Every tribesman has a blood feud with his neighbor. Every
man's hand is against the other, and all against the stranger.
Nor are these struggles conducted with the weapons which usually
belong to the races of such development. To the ferocity of the Zulu
are added the craft of the Redskin and the marksmanship of the Boer.
The world is presented with that grim spectacle, "the strength of
civilisation without its mercy." At a thousand yards the traveller
falls wounded by the well-aimed bullet of a breech-loading rifle. His
assailant, approaching, hacks him to death with the ferocity of a
South-Sea Islander. The weapons of the nineteenth century are in the
hands of the savages of the Stone Age.
Every influence, every motive, that provokes the spirit of murder
among men, impels these mountaineers to deeds of treachery and
violence."
Winston Churchill! From his first book The Story of the Malakand Field Force: An Episode of Frontier War (1898).
Source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/taliban/tribal/churchill.html
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| |  rtw12
Thailand
11/5/2009 1:05:42 PM | As Pete says "let the bastards rot", how can you fight cowardly bastards that hide in womans clothing.
Put Brown and Co in the front line, they would then think differently. |
| | Sirpete
North Wales.
11/5/2009 1:20:00 PM | When I first joined the RAF and after about three sessions on the range I was quite competant to clean, fire my weapon and kill people if necessary and I only joined up as an apprentice air radio fitter, 93 entry RAF Locking . So what's the matter with these afgans, are they bloody stupid or something? They are like a lot of countries before them, train them, help them and the bastards just stab you in the back. Bring the lads home, they shouldn't be asked to die for crap! |
| | SianLewis
Cardiff
11/5/2009 1:33:17 PM | Sirpete said:
When I first joined the RAF and after about three sessions on the range I was quite competant to clean, fire my weapon and kill people if necessary and I only joined up as an apprentice air radio fitter, 93 entry RAF Locking . So what's the matter with these afgans, are they bloody stupid or something? They are like a lot of countries before them, train them, help them and the bastards just stab you in the back. Bring the lads home, they shouldn't be asked to die for crap! Here here Pete.
It's time to get our soldiers home.
We've tried to help them (god knows why, I can't see them ever stepping in to help any other country if they needed it) and what happens? They kill those trying to help them.
So let them get on with killing each other if that's what they want to do.
Yes I feel for the innocent people who might get caught up in it by I feel far more for all the families who watch their loved ones come home in a box. |
| | Sirpete
North Wales.
11/5/2009 2:11:57 PM | So come on then, lets have an American view on your young lads getting slaughtered. I was in the USA when the Vietnam war was going on so I am aware of peoples opinons then so I hope it has changed. |
| | JamiePocock
Wellington
11/6/2009 7:42:59 PM | They say a picture is worth a thousand words so here's my thoughts
http://www.eyefetch.com/image.aspx?ID=1243684
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| | esales
 Athena
11/7/2009 12:07:56 AM | Sirpete said:
So come on then, lets have an American view on your young lads getting slaughtered. I was in the USA when the Vietnam war was going on so I am aware of peoples opinons then so I hope it has changed.
first off Pete let me say that only an idiot wants war. That said, there are also times when something has to be done. It pains me greatly when any soldier is killed or maimed I don't care what country they are from. " The only thing bad men need to suceed is for good men to do nothing." (Abe Lincoln) I don't like war, but we are in one and as I see it we have two options. We can either fight it to win it or we can loose it. I spent two tours in Vietnam and in 1968 I watched 109 of my best friends slaughtered like cattle trying to hold onto a worthless hill. Those brave men gave all the had and then our government (due to pressure from the citizens) gave up making not only my friends, but all those who were killed or maimed, sacrifice worth nothing at all. They stripped us of our honor and why? Because those back home who we were fighting for turned thier backs on us just as they are doing now. It's easy to fight a war when you are laying on a couch watching tv.
Well this has gotten a bit too long and has pulled too may scabs loose so I'm going to stop. I'll just end it with a simple question. Do you think for a single moment that any of those brave soldiers who died would have cut and run?
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| | Sirpete
North Wales.
11/7/2009 5:35:02 AM | esales said:
Sirpete said:
So come on then, lets have an American view on your young lads getting slaughtered. I was in the USA when the Vietnam war was going on so I am aware of peoples opinons then so I hope it has changed.
first off Pete let me say that only an idiot wants war. That said, there are also times when something has to be done. It pains me greatly when any soldier is killed or maimed I don't care what country they are from. " The only thing bad men need to suceed is for good men to do nothing." (Abe Lincoln) I don't like war, but we are in one and as I see it we have two options. We can either fight it to win it or we can loose it. I spent two tours in Vietnam and in 1968 I watched 109 of my best friends slaughtered like cattle trying to hold onto a worthless hill. Those brave men gave all the had and then our government (due to pressure from the citizens) gave up making not only my friends, but all those who were killed or maimed, sacrifice worth nothing at all. They stripped us of our honor and why? Because those back home who we were fighting for turned thier backs on us just as they are doing now. It's easy to fight a war when you are laying on a couch watching tv.
Well this has gotten a bit too long and has pulled too may scabs loose so I'm going to stop. I'll just end it with a simple question. Do you think for a single moment that any of those brave soldiers who died would have cut and run?
Firstly let me say the guys who faught and died in Vietnam have my greatest respect and sympathy. What politicians need to realise is that that fighting a war against people who don't wear uniforms and in their own backyard is virtually impossible to win.
There are many servicemen and servicewomen plus politicions here in the UK who are speaking out against the war. The government there is totally corrupt and what now is the mission, wander around the country to see if you can find someone to shoot? Most of them are now across in Pakistan, so what next, we go in there. Assuming it was winable, as soon as we left they would all pile back in again so we go back to square one.
Part of the reason the public loose faith is because they realise the government of the day lied to them about the reasons for the war in the first place. |
| | electricblue
Ft. Stewart
11/7/2009 10:12:33 AM | As the wife of an active duty member of the us army I'm going to say what I have said to many a person face to face...you don't have to support the war to support the service member. Any life lost is a loss,from my country or any other. My prayers go out to the families of all the fallen.
Just to put a bit of a spin on this so that maybe there is some perspective...my grandmothers boyfriend, who is scottish(lives there 6 month out of the year) pulled out a picture of his father,dressed in uniform, and asked if my husband or I had any idea where he was standing...he was in afghanistan.This isn't a middle east vs. america thing nor is it something that started 9/11/01.Afghanistan has been a global issue since before most of us were born. |
| | PaulTyrer
11/7/2009 10:21:28 AM | electricblue said:
This isn't a middle east vs. america thing nor is it something that started 9/11/01.Afghanistan has been a global issue since before most of us were born. Hallelujah!! (If we are allowed to say that!) SOMEONE who has realised that it is nothing to do with 9/11 or the London Bombings!
Google Winston Churchill, he wrote the same thing in a book which he wrote back in 1898!!
So WHY are we still in Afghanistan then???? It was said on TV last night that ALL the recent bomb plots in the UK have originated in the UK, not Afghanistan or Pakistan!
Also, the conflict in Afghanistan has now gone on for LONGER than World War 2 |
| | PaulTyrer
11/7/2009 10:28:26 AM | Hey Jamie, Brilliant image! But why was it deleted?? The Eyefetch Thought Police??
http://www.pbase.com/jamie_pocock/image/119118831/original |
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