| |  Diyaz
 Kolkata & Mumbai
11/7/2009 6:33:58 AM | Hi members of eyefetch!
I am an amatuer in photography with Canon EOS 500D as my gear. At present I have the kit lens( 18-55mm) & 50mm F1.8, I am looking forward to own a new wide angle lens.
I just couldn't decided on Canon EF-S 10-22mm F/3.5-4.5 USM and Tokina AT-X Pro 12-24mm F4 DX. Would you kind members please enlighten me as to which one would suit me better. Money is a matter but wouldn't mind spending that extra if Canon is really much better.
So please dear members give me your suggestions. You can visit my page http://www.eyefetch.com/profile.aspx?user=diyaz and from my work suggest me which would be more suitable.
Thanks alot
Regards Darren |
| | rtw12
 Thailand
11/7/2009 7:31:24 AM | In one test report I read on 12 wide angle lenses, all top brands the Sigma 10-20 came out top with Canon in second place. The only one to beat the Sigma on image quality was the Nikon 12-24. The Tokina didnt get placed.
The test is based on , Price, Features and Build, Performance, Image Quality, and Value for money.
For an in depth report on both lenses go to,
www.the-digital-picture.com |
| | Mitrevski
 Planet Earth
11/7/2009 9:18:21 AM | It ofcourse depends on what you will be using it for, worked with a few different ones/brands. Taking everything into consideration (when doing landscabes only) i found the best one for aps-c cameras to be the Tokina 12-24mm 4 atx pro, i like the way you swich between manual focus and auto, its a ring around the lens you push back and foward, geniuos design. Optical quality is ok, from 5.6 and down corners seem tottally sharp, lens coating and contrast is good too. If you superior quality its better to get a prime lens.
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| | naturehut
 Tujunga, California
11/7/2009 1:33:41 PM | I owned the Tokina 12-24 and sold it. That was a mistake. It was probably one of the sharpest lenses I have ever owned. It was razor sharp with very little or no chromatic aberration and captured amazing detail. It even performed well in the corners. I may buy another Tokina 12-24 if I ever have the money. I can use it on my 5D as long as I don't go too wide.
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| | Mitrevski
Planet Earth
11/7/2009 8:40:49 PM | Yes its a good lens. Canon gennereally makes terrible wide zoom lenses and they price them
high and funny, alot buy them, but theymake superior telephoto lenses, no one can beat thoes they make today. Im a canon user myself, but in my
opinion Tokina and nikon makes the best wideangel zoom lenses, atleast
what ive seen so far, but if you want a better one, get the zeiss
distagon 21 or the om zuiko 21, both are prime lenses, nothing beats the clarity from thoes, amazing lenses, if you want to find somewhere same/very simular quality like thoes primes
for less monney, and dont need the ekstreem of 21mm look into the om
zuiko 24, 28 or 35. Ofcourse stop down is required and you mount via adapter when used on eos, prehabs you can find an eos mount on the zeiss version, but they where used and are
still used for contax film cameras, but you can mount, if you use them for landscabes only its no problem through all apetures as you have you time to focus first and all that.
If you want to avoid the stopping down things and still want primes and the better quality they produce,
look into non L prime lenses from canon, if i recall right they have a 15, 20, 24, 28 and 35 all non L, they are good lenses and not
too expensive either.
Denis didnt they make a 24x36 wideangel zoom in 2.8 (tokina) ? it would be a pitty not to be able to use it on all focal lenght, better get a good prime then, just my thoughts
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| | naturehut
Tujunga, California
11/7/2009 9:20:49 PM | Tokina has a 16-50mm f2.8 which would be nice for a full frame body. I used the 12-24 on Rebel bodies and when I upgraded to the 5D I used it a few time before selling it and buying the 17-40L. I remember not being able go wider than about 20mm with the Tokina on the 5D before it would vignette (with the large 4X6 Lee filter system).
For a camera with a smaller sensor, you really need something like the 12-24 to get really wide angle shots. The Zeiss 21mm on a full frame would be nice for wide angle shots, but not on a Rebel.
The widest Canon prime is the 14L. It's quite expensive. Canon has the suggested retail price at $2359 and you can only use rear gel filters.
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| |  KyScarlett
Paris, Kentucky
11/8/2009 12:19:39 AM | I wish I had read this thread this morning as I just got the Canon 10-22mm lens today to replace my wide angle lens that fell off a cliff into a river Thursday ~ it happened so fast, yet it seemed like it was all in slow motion as it bounced down one rock to the next. |
| | naturehut
Tujunga, California
11/8/2009 12:32:01 AM | Sounds similar to what happened to my first SLR film camera. I was shooting at a stream in the mountains. I was climbing back up a hill from the stream with the camera mounted on my tripod. I slipped and the camera and tripod fell into the stream, hit a rock and the camera busted open. When my sister heard about it, she gave me a camera that she wasn't using. I used it for many years until I upgraded to medium format, then eventually went digital. When things like that happen, you can't even believe it. You can't even accept that it's reality.
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| | Mitrevski
Planet Earth
11/8/2009 12:06:07 PM | i lost my dslr with a serious lens on it in the train last week Hahahaha, its not a problem :-) we people get too identified with our things, ofcourse its a pitty :-( sh** happens, but its long gone now :-) its not the story of broken so i just wish that the person it ends up with will bennefit from it as much as i did.
A friend of mine uses the 10-22 ef-s and he makes beautiful landscabes with it, its a tiny bit soft but most zoom lenses are, looks like a good piece of glas.
Yes the distagon should go on fullframe for sure, but even with a 28 on crop ive taken lovely landscabes, but yes, its not ideal with normal wides on crop..
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| | RobertD
Wichita
11/8/2009 4:35:16 PM | I'm a Nikon person but have the Tokina 12-24. I find it to be only slightly less sharp than the Nikon 12-24. You will not notice any difference unless you are into shooting test charts.
 
Taken with the Tokina 12-24 |
| | Mitrevski
Planet Earth
11/8/2009 4:37:54 PM | RobertD said:I'm a Nikon person but have the Tokina 12-24. I find it to be only slightly less sharp than the Nikon 12-24. You will not notice any difference unless you are into shooting test charts. Taken with the Tokina 12-24 ------ nice shots Robert, very colorful. How much did you edit/adjust and what exactly did you do to the files? |
| | KyScarlett
Paris, Kentucky
11/8/2009 7:50:20 PM | Do they make the Tokina to fit Canon cameras or do they require an adapter? I am thinking about returning the Canon lens I just bought and getting the Tokina lens instead. Thanks ~ |
| | Mitrevski
Planet Earth
11/8/2009 7:57:53 PM | They make them for many brands, just look for the ones with eos mount
heres the newest version of the lens we talked about http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554035-REG/Tokina_ATX116PRODXC_11_16mm_f_2_8_AT_X_116.html
and heres the first version
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/360349-REG/Tokina_ATX124AFPROC_12_24mm_f_4_AT_X_124AF.html
I did not have the chance to compare the two against eachother yet, but did compare the first version with the canon EF 17-40L 4 USM, i found the Tokina abit better on most levels.
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| | Mitrevski
Planet Earth
11/8/2009 8:02:11 PM | sorry the first link is for another lens than i thought, relatively new but not a new version to the one we talked about, looks good thoe
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| | Mitrevski
Planet Earth
11/8/2009 8:11:08 PM | dont know if its useful, but heres the review of it from dp
http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/tokina_12-24_4_n15/ |
| | naturehut
Tujunga, California
11/8/2009 8:31:51 PM | Another thing I like about Tokina is how well the lenses are built. They have a really solid feel to them.
The Canon 10-22 is an EFS mount, so if you upgrade to a full frame body, you won't be able to use it. The Tokina is EF mount, so you can actually use it on a full frame body if you upgrade.
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| | KyScarlett
Paris, Kentucky
11/9/2009 5:15:22 AM | Thanks so much! I will go with the Tokina then!! |
| | Mitrevski
Planet Earth
11/9/2009 9:30:18 AM | Hey youre most welcome Scarlett, good luck with everything.
As far as i know they are both build for aps-c sensor size, (dx lenses in nikon terms and ef-s in canon terms) i guess you can mount both on fullframe, but as you mentioned earlier Denis you wont be able to go below some 20-21mm before you get the tunnel view. I did mount the tokina on ff aswell ones as you described, never tried with the 10-22 ef-s thoe but my guess is that its the same as with the tokina.
It doesnt make sence for normal ametuers to upgrade from crop to fullframe, the prices in both camera and lenses are enormous, actually all you need as an ameteur is a rebel camera and two zoom lenses (an EF-s wide angelzoom and an EF telezoom) unless you ofcourse need better quality and faster/stronger bodies and lenses for wildlife, sports etc..
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| | naturehut
Tujunga, California
11/9/2009 12:39:13 PM | They say that the Tokina 11-16 is not for full frame. Since it is EF mount, I would think that you could mount it on a full frame body. Maybe it's just a suggestion because of the vignetting. I would imagine that it would vignette. I know for sure that the Tokina 12-24 can be used on full frame. I used it on my 5D a few times with great results. You can't mount the Canon 10-22 on a full frame. It's a different mount (EF-S). They made the mount different to purposly prevent you from trying to use it on a full frame. The mirror can hit the back lens element in a full frame camera. Your Rebel can use both EF or EF-S mount lenses.
For a Rebel, the Tokina 11-16 or 12-24 is nice. The 11-16 will allow you to get a little wider, but the 12-24 has a larger focal legnth range. I would assume that you are buying it for the wider focal legnth anyway, so the 11-16 is better. If you ever upgrade to full frame, you can always sell it and get a different lens anyway.
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| | Mitrevski
Planet Earth
11/9/2009 4:43:07 PM | I would go for the 12-24mm 4 then, its cheaper, got a larger focal area, and i know its good caus i tested it. I wouldn really need the 2.8 apeture of the other one unless i do journalism and for that i prefere either 24, 28 or 35mm when using wides, wich leaves it mostly for landscabes so the 4 apeture in that case would be enough for me, it got sharp corners from 5.6 and down, and landscabes in most situations crave atleast 8, normally i use 11, 16 and even below if the lens allows it, just my thoughts..
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| | naturehut
Tujunga, California
11/9/2009 4:53:08 PM | There really isn't much difference between 11mm and 12mm.
You are right about the maximum aperture. If the lens is used for wide angle landscapes, you won't be shooting at the widest aperture anyway. I never shoot below f8 for landscapes.
I have never used the 11-16, but I had a really great experience with the 12-24.
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| | Mitrevski
Planet Earth
11/9/2009 7:54:17 PM | yeah thats the thing, just one mm, the gain on that one is the apeture, if its any good wideopen, for that it would be an exelent close up lens for crowds doing journalism..
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| | rtw12
Thailand
11/10/2009 5:54:34 AM | Check thi
Registered: May 14, 2009
Location: United States
Posts: 0 |
| Review Date: May 18, 2009 |
Recommend? yes | Price paid: $350.00 | Rating: 10 |
| Pros: |
ultra-wide, light, sharp, fast AF |
| Cons: |
sun-flares, expensive 77mm filters | |
i bought this lens used a year ago for my Nikon D70s and haven't been disappointed. the wide field of view really lends a lot of opportunities for creativity. it works well with landscapes or car shows. consistently sharp between f/8 to f/11. opened up it's sharp in ~90% of the frame.
i recently bought a Nikon D700 and was upset that i may have to sell it. just for grins, i tried it on the FF and for me it actually works really well. with the D700's in camera cropping option turned off, there is heavy vignetting, especially at 10mm, but i can always crop it out and eke out a slightly larger pic than with it on. of course, the pros and pixel-peepers will moan, but i'm not a pro. or a pixel peeper. :O)
some from the D70s:
http://www.pbase.com/chempilot/image/105202660
http://www.pbase.com/chempilot/image/105204559
http://www.pbase.com/chempilot/image/105950661
some from the D700:
http://www.pbase.com/chempilot/image/112535092
http://www.pbase.com/chempilot/image/112571123
http://www.pbase.com/chempilot/image/108157211
| | s out the Sigme 10-20 on a full frame Nikon D700 |
| | cimmarron
American Fork
11/10/2009 8:12:39 PM | KyScarlett said:
I wish I had read this thread this morning as I just got the Canon 10-22mm lens today to replace my wide angle lens that fell off a cliff into a river Thursday ~ it happened so fast, yet it seemed like it was all in slow motion as it bounced down one rock to the next.
I have the 10 x22 you will love it
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